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Joann Demerit

She was deeply unhappy in her marriage. Why did she feel she needed proof of Tom's affair(s) before she could leave?

“I have been obsessed with finding solid (not feelings) truth to validate my feelings to prove I am right.”Joann’s post · October 2, 2019
Joann Demerit
Joann Demerit
Who is Joann Demerit?

The marriage she described to her friends and community.

Joann Demerit found HMI and Liana through Cahira. Cahira and Joann were friends. Joann became an HMI health coach and began doing the spiritual work, including Mother Wound with Cahira.

  • She told Cahira, Liana, and others in the community that she was deeply unhappy in her marriage to Tom.
  • According to Cahira, Joann said Tom had not bought her a Christmas present in three years. At the last Christmas she described, she did not buy herself gifts—and was the only person with nothing to open.
  • Joann told Liana, Cahira and the community, that she had suspected Tom was cheating for a long time and said her best friend had told her he was cheating.
  • Joann’s own posts describe being “obsessed” with finding proof to validate her feelings. Her calls describe feeling stuck, feeling relief when he was away, and struggling to speak when he was present.
  • Joann asked Liana whether it was ego to want “solid proof.” In another call, she said, “I guess I could just say that I want to leave him just because.”
  • On a phone call with Joann, Cahira said Joann asked her to help her get proof that Tom was cheating. She wanted her to seduce him so she would know for sure. Cahira refused.
  • In the messages below, Cahira told Joann she did not need proof of cheating to decide that the way she was being treated was not okay for her.

Sources: Joann’s 2019 Lifepath calls and screenshots; Cahira’s firsthand account. References to cheating describe Joann’s belief and the accounts of the speakers.

“I guess I could just say that I want to leave him just because I guess I don't have to accuse him of anything, right?”

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Her recordings and messages
Chapter 01 · Her Marriage

“I said that I wasn’t happy.”

Listen to Joann describe the distance in her marriage, sleeping in another bedroom, feeling unable to move forward, and looking through Tom’s phone. The montage ends with her own realization that she could leave without accusing him of an affair.

Joann describes her marriage

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Joann: so in a sense that wall kind of protected me, but so I need to figure out a way,

Joann: I mean, I did, I mean I did, I mean I put it out there, you know, yet again that I felt like, you know, there

Joann: wasn't a connection anymore, and that I wasn't happy. I said that I wasn't happy. Said, you know, you don't have a problem with me sleeping

Joann: in another bedroom, and he said, well, do you have a problem with it? I said, yeah, I have a problem with that. We're married, and

Joann: I'm not sleeping, you know, with you, and he said, well, then that's not good, you know, type of thing. So, anyway, it was, it was

Joann: a good start. Let's say another, another start. I mean, I've done this like three times or four times now with him,

Joann: and I feel like I can't start my business, I can't do anything, and I'm just like, oh, but then I was like, I, you know,

Joann: listen to Illuminations, and I'm looking at, he was, he left on Tuesday again, and so it's been out of town, so that's been fabulous. But

Joann: then I'm looking at, well, when can I do this, and I'm looking at, oh my god, this weekend, because he comes back tomorrow night, I'm

Joann: like, oh, that doesn't look like a good time, hey. but you know, and I wanted to do it. My idea was like, okay, well, I'll

Joann: do it. I'll do it over the phone, and just tell him that I can't, you know, I need time to think, and he needs. To

Joann: leave either to stay in California or like go to Wisconsin, because he has to, like, well, he was thinking he was needing to go there,

Joann: and you know, it'll give him time to think, and this and that, and you know, make I might be able to do it if I

Joann: don't have to look at him, I could do it as a post one of my girlfriends that I finally, because I was feeling so lonely,

Joann: I finally just confided in two of my, you know, long, long, long time girlfriends, and it was kind of a test to see they hadn't

Joann: really told

Joann: that I'm unhappy and all that, and I did, and they're totally supportive. They didn't think I was crazy.

Joann: Actually, I think Erica might think I'm a little bit, but but she's still supportive. Um and so that felt good, but when I said I

Joann: was thinking about doing it on the phone, they're like, "Oh my god, you can't do that, and I'm like, "I know,

Joann: I know. Oh,

Joann: but that's what I feel like. I feel like I get around them, and then all this, you know, this brick wall, and I can't say

Joann: anything. It's like, what is it? What is what inner child? What you know, darkness.. I don't know what is holding me pack.

Joann: Well, that's what he did last week. So, after the call last week, I went down and I grabbed his phone and started looking through everything,

Joann: and you know, he had no qualms with me looking at his phone, and so obviously, yeah, he deletes the apps, or you know, whatever, he's

Joann: good, I mean, you know, he's a computer guy, he knows how to hide

Liana: they're not stupid, and especially the longer they've been doing it, yeah, they know how to hide stuff,

Joann: right, but yeah, then he, I mean, he looked at me and said you, you're looking at me like you knew that was how I was

Joann: going to react, and I said, yeah, I did, I know, I know, this is how you were going to react, and, and you know, he

Joann: started to get angry, but then all of a sudden he switched immediately into nice mode, and you know, trying to reveal some things about himself,

Joann: and you know, this and that, and and I asked him if he would do any kind of therapy, and he said, "Oh, absolutely not, and

Joann: I just, you know, had to keep myself from like laughing, I'm sure I smiled, and he said, 'Oh no, I, you know, I pride myself

Joann: in being a person that doesn't need therapy. We can do that ourselves.

Liana: Did you tell me how I'm wrong and you're right, but

Joann: yeah, but he didn't hold me. He said you are either crazy or you are getting some really bad information from someone else, and I was

Joann: like, oh, so my yeah, again, my feelings, my gut,

Joann: those are the

Liana: only two objects someone, or you're crazy,

Joann: so I mean, so the whole process of doing that really showed me, you know, his narcissistic side, because I mean, he's, you know, he's quite

Joann: the charmer, he's been, you know, mr. You know, supposedly very supportive of me, and yada yada, but you know two other people,

Liana: right?

Joann: So that really it was helpful. I was a little taken aback of the really hoping that I would find something, but I didn't,

Joann: yeah.

Joann: Okay, so then if I don't have proof for you, well, I mean, I guess I could just say that I want to leave him just

Joann: because I guess I don't have to accuse him of anything, right,

Liana: right, right.

“I guess I could just say that I want to leave him just because I guess I don't have to accuse him of anything, right”

Joann · Life Path Call 9

Chapter 02 · Searching for Proof

“Viewing my cheating husband situation from the outside is probably very obvious and clear cut for most of you”

On October 2, 2019, Joann described years of pain, feeling alone despite having supportive friends, and wanting facts to prove her feelings were valid. She also questioned why she found it so hard to step away.

“In my logical mind it is so clear cut and everything that has happened in the last 10+ years is total validation of my pain and feelings but why is it soooo hard to step away with confidence?”

Joann · October 2, 2019

Joann’s October 2, 2019 post about her marriage and her search for proof
Joann’s October 2, 2019 post about her marriage and her search for proof
Joann says she had planned to ask Wendy to help find more proof
Joann says she had planned to ask Wendy to help find more proof
Joann describes grieving the lack of love and protection in her life
Joann describes grieving the lack of love and protection in her life
Chapter 03 · Cahira’s Account

“You don’t need proof of him cheating.”

Cahira and Joann were friends before these calls. Joann wrote that Cahira had met Tom, thanked her for loving and supporting her. Cahira’s response told Joann she could decide for herself what treatment she was willing to accept.

Cahira’s support, Joann’s reply, and Cahira’s reminder that proof of cheating was not required
Cahira’s support, Joann’s reply, and Cahira’s reminder that proof of cheating was not required

“Remember, you don't need proof of him cheating for you to decide this isn't okay for you.”

Cahira’s reply to Joann · Screenshot

Chapter 04 · The Final Call

“I’m kind of feeling a little like a need to be a dominatrix....he could not get an erection.”

In the final session, Joann described initiating a sexual encounter with Tom to show him that he didn't need some other woman. Liana says how sad it was that she is begging for him to love her. The clip then jumps to her later statement about empowerment.

Joann’s account and Liana’s response

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Excerpts from Lifepath Call 12: Joann’s account, the opening of Liana’s response, and the later empowerment passage.

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Joann · 0:00: Yes, I had, well, kind of, I had sex with my husband, but, this was on Monday, but it was, he didn't even want to, which is interesting, so I want to ask you why, but he said, well, gosh, could we do it tomorrow? And I'm like, hmm, no, I really, yeah. He's like, well, you know, I have to get, you know, back to work or this or that, and can we do it, you know, tomorrow? And I'm like, no, I'm feeling, I am feeling like, I said dominatrix. I said, I just, I really, I just, I think I need to do this.

Joann · 0:56: And I was going back and forth on it, and I was like, oh, my God, and I was thinking, well, if I go downstairs and, you know, invite him up, that's not going to happen. And now, all of a sudden, he showed up in the bathroom, in our bedroom, and I was like, okay, well, maybe this is fine, because I was feeling like I needed to prove to myself that I am sexy, I am beautiful, I, you know, I can, I'm, can be powerful. And I put on my, like, whopper sexy Victoria's Secret bra that I bought that he, I showed to him at one point, and he said, oh, nice bra, and then two months later asked me, you know, because he saw me in it, and he goes, oh, is that a new bra? And I said, no, you don't remember this? I mean, it's like wild colors.

Joann · 1:59: My girlfriends have seen it. I mean, you know, I've, like, showed them. Would some man forget that they've seen a woman in this bra? I mean, and they're like, holy crap, no.

Joann · 2:10: I mean, it's, it's fun. I've never had such a fun-looking bra. Anyway, so I felt like superwoman, and so when I said, no, I'm kind of feeling a little, like, I need to be the dominatrix, which is, I've never, never, never, never, never happened.

Joann · 2:35: And he said, oh, okay, and he was physically getting aroused from that, and he's like, okay, well, let's, you know, go, and, but what's interesting is that he could not get erect the whole scene, and I was, like, wild woman, and it just, it felt good, and I just, I felt like, I was looking at his face, and it was like, he couldn't believe it, and I think I was, you know, part of me was thinking, like, yeah, you need a, you know, someone else. You need some other woman to be wild and crazy, you know, for you. I mean, you know, your wife can be this way, too, but I felt, I felt beautiful.

Joann · 3:43: I felt sexy, and he could not get an erection, so there was no penetration, because, you know, that's what happened for him, so it was all about me, and at the end of it, when I finally, you know, he finally gave me an orgasm, which was, you know, it took a while, but, you know, he got there, and it was nice, he, you know, I said, well, gosh, you know, I'm sorry that you can't, you know, feel any pleasure or whatever. I said, were you, you know, was it arousing? He's like, holy shit, you know, I just, this is, like, wow, and he couldn't believe it, and he said it was very arousing, but he's like, yeah, I don't know why I can't, and, you know, my thought, so you tell me differently, and maybe I did this to kind of, you know, prove what was going on, but it's either the porn thing, and that he can't, you know, he's watching too much porn, and maybe he just had already watched porn earlier that day or something, I don't know when he's doing it. He already ejaculated that day, and that's why he couldn't do it again.

Joann · 5:28: He told me that, you know, he can do it on his own, and that was one of the reasons I told him, you know, that, well, you can't seem to get aroused with me, is it, you know, one would think that either there's something wrong, and, gee, why wouldn't you go to the doctor, I mean, most men would think this is an issue, or is it just because, you know, you're doing other things, and you can't get aroused because you've already been doing things. I mean, what do you see?

Liana: I mean, honestly, Joanne, I don't, this may be one of the only times in 48 years that I don't even know what to say, like, I am sad, I'm horribly sad for you, I am, I feel like this is a tragedy of gargantuan proportions, I feel embarrassed as a woman, just for a woman to have to go out of her way like that to prove to this guy that you're sexy, that you're worthy, that he doesn't, quote, need other women, which has nothing to do with your sexiness or your worth as a woman, it's like catering to this narcissist, I literally, I'm not exaggerating, and I don't think any of you have ever heard me say this, except for maybe Sanjit, literally feel like I need to vomit, it's that disgusting to me, because I am just horrified for you, and that you went through all of that, and even went through that experience where he didn't have an erection, you didn't actually have that happen, and he's sitting there making excuses, and you're having to encounter this energy, and just, like, beg, like, begging for him to love you, to see you, to want you, and on top of that, the story about the bra, that he didn't remember the bra, it's like, these are all massive, huge, glaring, red signs, and it's not about you being empowered, you being empowered is leaving him, you being empowered is not dressing up in lingerie and begging him to have sex with you, and then he doesn't even get an erection, that's not, that's not empowerment at all, that's the opposite of empowerment.

“You being empowered is leaving him. You being empowered is not dressing up in lingerie and begging him to have sex with you, and then he doesn’t even get an erection.”

Liana · Life Path Call 12

Chapter 05 · The Support She Received

“Yes, I agree that Liana really puts it out there to use your own discernment and she really confirms what you already know”

Joann thanked the group for listening, offering support, and helping her trust her own discernment. These messages show what she wrote at the time.

Joann thanks Aaralyn and says Liana puts it out there to use your own discernment
Joann thanks Aaralyn and says Liana puts it out there to use your own discernment
“My husband, luckily has been out of town the last few days”
“My husband, luckily has been out of town the last few days”
Aaralyn tells Joann to make choices from her own heart and discernment
Aaralyn tells Joann to make choices from her own heart and discernment