Joann: so in a sense that wall kind of protected me, but so I need to figure out a way,
Joann: I mean, I did, I mean I did, I mean I put it out there, you know, yet again that I felt like, you know, there
Joann: wasn't a connection anymore, and that I wasn't happy. I said that I wasn't happy. Said, you know, you don't have a problem with me sleeping
Joann: in another bedroom, and he said, well, do you have a problem with it? I said, yeah, I have a problem with that. We're married, and
Joann: I'm not sleeping, you know, with you, and he said, well, then that's not good, you know, type of thing. So, anyway, it was, it was
Joann: a good start. Let's say another, another start. I mean, I've done this like three times or four times now with him,
Joann: and I feel like I can't start my business, I can't do anything, and I'm just like, oh, but then I was like, I, you know,
Joann: listen to Illuminations, and I'm looking at, he was, he left on Tuesday again, and so it's been out of town, so that's been fabulous. But
Joann: then I'm looking at, well, when can I do this, and I'm looking at, oh my god, this weekend, because he comes back tomorrow night, I'm
Joann: like, oh, that doesn't look like a good time, hey. but you know, and I wanted to do it. My idea was like, okay, well, I'll
Joann: do it. I'll do it over the phone, and just tell him that I can't, you know, I need time to think, and he needs. To
Joann: leave either to stay in California or like go to Wisconsin, because he has to, like, well, he was thinking he was needing to go there,
Joann: and you know, it'll give him time to think, and this and that, and you know, make I might be able to do it if I
Joann: don't have to look at him, I could do it as a post one of my girlfriends that I finally, because I was feeling so lonely,
Joann: I finally just confided in two of my, you know, long, long, long time girlfriends, and it was kind of a test to see they hadn't
Joann: really told
Joann: that I'm unhappy and all that, and I did, and they're totally supportive. They didn't think I was crazy.
Joann: Actually, I think Erica might think I'm a little bit, but but she's still supportive. Um and so that felt good, but when I said I
Joann: was thinking about doing it on the phone, they're like, "Oh my god, you can't do that, and I'm like, "I know,
Joann: I know. Oh,
Joann: but that's what I feel like. I feel like I get around them, and then all this, you know, this brick wall, and I can't say
Joann: anything. It's like, what is it? What is what inner child? What you know, darkness.. I don't know what is holding me pack.
Joann: Well, that's what he did last week. So, after the call last week, I went down and I grabbed his phone and started looking through everything,
Joann: and you know, he had no qualms with me looking at his phone, and so obviously, yeah, he deletes the apps, or you know, whatever, he's
Joann: good, I mean, you know, he's a computer guy, he knows how to hide
Liana: they're not stupid, and especially the longer they've been doing it, yeah, they know how to hide stuff,
Joann: right, but yeah, then he, I mean, he looked at me and said you, you're looking at me like you knew that was how I was
Joann: going to react, and I said, yeah, I did, I know, I know, this is how you were going to react, and, and you know, he
Joann: started to get angry, but then all of a sudden he switched immediately into nice mode, and you know, trying to reveal some things about himself,
Joann: and you know, this and that, and and I asked him if he would do any kind of therapy, and he said, "Oh, absolutely not, and
Joann: I just, you know, had to keep myself from like laughing, I'm sure I smiled, and he said, 'Oh no, I, you know, I pride myself
Joann: in being a person that doesn't need therapy. We can do that ourselves.
Liana: Did you tell me how I'm wrong and you're right, but
Joann: yeah, but he didn't hold me. He said you are either crazy or you are getting some really bad information from someone else, and I was
Joann: like, oh, so my yeah, again, my feelings, my gut,
Joann: those are the
Liana: only two objects someone, or you're crazy,
Joann: so I mean, so the whole process of doing that really showed me, you know, his narcissistic side, because I mean, he's, you know, he's quite
Joann: the charmer, he's been, you know, mr. You know, supposedly very supportive of me, and yada yada, but you know two other people,
Liana: right?
Joann: So that really it was helpful. I was a little taken aback of the really hoping that I would find something, but I didn't,
Joann: yeah.
Joann: Okay, so then if I don't have proof for you, well, I mean, I guess I could just say that I want to leave him just
Joann: because I guess I don't have to accuse him of anything, right,
Liana: right, right.